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Feral cat story spurs readers to weigh in with solutions

Written by John Szozda

Thursday, 20 October 2011 16:10

Our reporters can write award winning exposes about government malfeasance and not hear a peep of outrage from our readers, but print a cat or dog story and it rains, well, you know, cats and dogs.

The latest cat story was about feral cats.

In the story, reporter Melissa Burden wrote about a Moline couple who said they were besieged by wild cats. Their dog lost an eye to one and their new car was stained, discolored and stunk from cat spray.

The problem is not limited to one family in Moline. Jill Borkowski, spokesperson for Humane Ohio, says her agency has sterilized some 1,700 free roaming cats in Toledo’s old south end since April, 2010 and is now offering a free sterilization service in East Toledo. These feral cats can kill birds, rabbits and other wildlife, use gardens for litter boxes and spread diseases.

The couple expressed their frustration that there was no easy answer to cats gone wild. The current solution from the Wood County Humane Society is Trap-Neuter-Release (TNR). You catch the cat, usually pay to have it sterilized and release it where you found it.

This “solution” created a buzz on our website. Thirty-six comments have been registered. Some readers extol the virtues of TNR, others say it’s just a feel-good program that warms the hearts of do-gooders but does nothing to address the problems of property owners.

The comments are intelligent, researched and passionate.

Laurie defends TNR saying it reduces aggressiveness in cats and spraying to mark territory. She says it’s the most cost effective method to control feral cat population. “We can’t kill our way out of the problem,” she writes.

Sue Stelmasak of Walbridge, in her letter to the editor, also backs TNR. She writes, “Scientific evidence indicates that removing feral cat populations only opens up the habitat to an influx of new cats, either from neighboring territories or born from survivors. Each time cats are removed, the population will rebound through a natural phenomenon known as the ‘vacuum effect,’ drawing the community into a costly, endless cycle of trapping and killing.” (Alley Cat Allies).

On the other hand, Woodsman, who claims cats are one of the 100 most destructive invasive species in the world, offers this solution: “I used a .22 equipped with a good illuminated-scope and a laser-sight for use when they are most active, dusk to dawn; as well as to afford precision aim for a humane kill. I shot every last one of them on my property to restore all the native wildlife to proper balance. This is even a more humane method than terrorizing, trapping and animal-shelter methods; and why it is the preferred feral-cat management policy in so many areas today. One moment the cats are happily stalking defenseless animals to cruelly torture again, the next they are dead and don't even know what happened. Making your land 100% cat-free is something that cat advocates haven't been able to solve nation-wide for 30-40 years…All cats gone for the price of a few cups of coffee. And, contrary to another famous TNR-Advocate's bald-faced "vacuum effect" lie no cats replaced them. The native predators and their required native prey that was here and belongs here is what replaced their lousy invasive-species cats that had destroyed the entire native food-chain.”

Not a cat lover that Woodsman.

Still, Woodsman obviously does not live in the city where he would get arrested for discharging a firearm.

Louise Holton argues, “My question to those who want to catch and kill all feral cats is: Who is going to do this? When towns already have budget shortfalls? Just from an economic standpoint it makes sense to allow over 1,000 feral cat groups in the country to continue with TNR, as they have been doing for many years, with their own money.”

So, are there any other solutions?

Esteban Pajaro posts that each October, in honor of National Feral Cat Day, each of us should trap one feral cat and take it to a shelter for adoption or to euthanize it.

Critter posts the following: “Ban outdoor feeding of cats. Allow trapping and removal of cats. Let people take feral cats to animal control…Enforce leash laws and abandonment laws. Perhaps require micro-chipping. Require spaying and neutering.”

Eventually, we may be forced to adopt some of these hard-to-enforce laws. Perhaps, a more comprehensive approach is warranted during these tough economic times when many families cannot afford to support their pets.

BanTNR posts another possible solution—license cats like we license dogs. This step would be easy and would generate revenue to initiate other control methods. Naturally, there would be some noncompliance but I suspect most pet owners are responsible and would not object to a licensing fee.

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Correction ...
posted by Woodsman, October 23, 2011

Correction to your article:

"On the other hand, Woodsman, who claims cats are one of the 100 most destructive invasive species in the world..."

I didn't make this claim, I am acting only as the messenger. The "Global Invasive Species Database" makes that claim.
http://www.issg.org/database/species/ecology.asp?si=24&fr=1&sts=sss

"The Global Invasive Species Database is managed by the Invasive Species Specialist Group (ISSG) of the IUCN Species Survival Commission. It was developed as part of the global initiative on invasive species led by the Global Invasive Species Programme (GISP) and is supported through partnerships with the National Biological Information Infrastructure, Manaaki Whenua-Landcare Research and the University of Auckland."

After having had first-hand witnessed and experienced the devastation that these cats can do to native habitat anywhere, there's absolutely no reason to doubt them. I back their listing of cats in the "100 OF THE WORST INVASIVE SPECIES OF THE WORLD" claim, 100%.

Too bad that you live in an area where you don't feel safe for anyone to carry and discharge firearms to hit an intended target. I guess you feel that way about police too then. I guarantee you one thing, if you can't find a faster way than trapping them to destroy them, you'll NEVER catch-up to their breeding rates. Every last TNR program I've checked has never trapped more than 0.4% of them. That's a hard-cold fact. And now that populations have gotten so overwhelmingly large even if EVERY person, from infant to senior, in the USA destroyed 1 cat this year as a civic-duty you still wouldn't catch up to their breeding rates. You can thank your heads-in-the-sand TNR advocates for the deadly ecological-disaster and health-disaster that you have now.

Time for you all to grow a spine and enough strength of heart to do what needs to be done.

p.s.
posted by Woodsman, October 23, 2011

Contrary to all cat-advocates' silly assumptions, I don't hate cats. I just love all other animals on earth more than cats. But this is only after how I saw them destroy all wildlife on my land, senselessly, torturing them to death, not even using them for food. I doubt anyone could convince me today of a reason that cats should even exist after I saw all the senseless carnage they do to life on earth. They are an animal designed by selective-breeding -- gone wrong. A BAD experiment. It's time to have this experiment shut down.

Do not be fooled...1
posted by BE2011, November 01, 2011

Speaking as a feral cat colony keeper - and having a statistical background, I have to refute Woodsman's manipulation of the statistics he uses to justify his poor stewardship of the cats on his property. I also suspect that Woodsman still has feral cats having only eliminated the most visible part of his colony (ferals who behave like strays). A true feral cat is quite difficult to glimpse much less shoot. If your property happens to be a feral friendly habitat, any cats removed will indeed be replaced with a new influx – of that I can personally attest.

Let's start with Woodsman's claim/scare tactic that his feral cats (supposedly infected with Toxoplasmosis) caused his "mice" problem. First of all, the largest spreader of Toxoplasmosis is (surprise!) humans. World Health Organization (WHO) and Center for Disease Control (CDC) put the human infection rate of Toxoplasmosis as high as 88 percent in France and 25 to 50 percent in the US. The culprit? Eating undercooked meat and human to human transmission. NOT CATS. Although the second highest cause is, indeed, cat feces, the threat is much higher to indoor cat owners handling feces than feral cat keepers. But the true danger of any exposure is much smaller than implied. Primarily due to the life cycle of that particular parasite. Here's a hint on how not to contract any parasite – wash you hands after digging in the garden. I might also add that Woodsman's claim that this parasite was in his mice population is not very likely and definitely opinion, not a fact. At best, Woodsman catered himself to yet another slow news day submission.

If Woodsman had any number of ferals (four plus by my estimate) – the cats would have eliminated that rodent population just from their supposedly “extraneous” hunting. Although I have yet to see a feral kill an animal it did not consume. It has been determined that cats “play” with their prey because it increases insulin levels making prey taste sweeter to the cat. Not because a cat “cruelly” enjoys toying. Woodman's judgmental observation of food chain basics alone is a big clue that he truly doesn't like cats and enjoys killing them.

Feral cats have become an epidemic more from the nationwide housing crisis than from people caring for them in the wild. The US has had largest housing migrations from homes to apartments – often not allowing animals - in several decades. It is unfortunate that people release their house cat(s) into the wild to fend for themselves after discovering that shelters are full and unable to accept them. It is much more unfortunate that people never altered their pets to begin with. And thus the local feral cat cycle begins as an unaltered house cat is released to propagate and starve. Make no mistake, these animals suffer.

Trap-Neuter-Return works well when done properly. Emphasis on “properly.” A common misconception is that simply feeding strays and catching an occasional one for alteration is TNR. It is not. A well maintained colony has a regular food source while spay, neuter, deworming and vaccination is performed on every cat in the colony. This allows the colony to stabilize and reduces environmental stress as the cats need to hunt less. In addition, proper management requires finding homes for the inevitable stray house cat that will join the colony because they have been abandoned. The biggest colony keeper mistake is to leave unconsumed cat food out which then attracts raccoons, skunks and possums who become a nuisance.

Done the right way and utilizing humane society resources, a colony of seven (yes, seven including our visiting house cat) costs me about $40 a month and four hours a week to maintain. After the initial six month learning curve on the best way to feed, vaccinate, deworm, trap and handle them, that is. Does that seem like a lot to you? Not to me. Once implemented, TNR is actually cheaper and less time consuming than repairing all the damage from an overpopulation of digging moles, rabbits and squirrels. My feral cats earn their keep. But, just as with indoor animals, problems arise from mismanagement.

Do not be fooled...2
posted by BE2011, November 01, 2011

One “trouble” cat in the colony was a sprayer and a fellow cat biter. But surprise, surprise, I found a collar and determined that he was a neighbor's UNALTERED house cat visiting my colony regularly. Once neutered 80 percent of cats stop scenting and being aggressive within six months. With the biter, neutering took two weeks to end any unwanted behavior. Mind you I have seen a true feral or two late at night, but the presence of my seen colony appears to keep them away from my property.

Not to present anecdotal evidence as the universal truth as Woodsman has, but my feral colony is stable and a boon to my property. I no longer have mice, river rats, moles, rabbits and squirrels destroying my garden and fruit trees. Please try and remember, that man BROUGHT this species to the new world with them because they are beneficial properly handled. And I defend TNR, as someone who did not previously own cats, mostly being a dog person. It can work for you and well if you're willing to make the effort to even learn it – as Woodsman (obviously) did not.

I question Woodsman's claim that he “returned his property back to its normal balance.” Really? What was that exactly? And how does he know? Most of his commentary and fact s has led me to believe that his “research” is after the fact window dressing - Woodsman likes to kill. He freely contends that his first and only solution to his feral cat “problem” was to shoot them. In the face of all the backlash, his premise is “no other valid options.” Please do not be fooled, you can humanely deal with your feral cats in a manner that will benefit both you and them.

See Original DiscussionThat 100% Disproves BE2011
posted by Woodsman, November 06, 2011

See original discussion that 100% disproves absolutely everything that BE2011 just posted here. I don't think I've seen a more outrageous cat-advocate liar. I grew to learn that they all lie relentlessly, but not as much as the BE2011 does.

Woodsman is simply delusional
posted by BE2011, November 08, 2011

FYI - I read the original discussion. It's delusional and hypocritical to feed several different species of wild animals for a DECADE that being "foxes, skunks, opossum, and raccoons" - SIXTY at a time sometimes and then claim your property has somehow been returned to its "natural balance" by shooting your feral cats. You, yourself, have disrupted the balance of all species through indiscriminate feeding but pick on feral cats - that's hard to excuse. Especially in light of all the other factors that could have greater impact on thee species than competition from feral cats.

Did it ever occur to you that your mouse population came as much from feeding their other predators (so they don't hunt) and leaving food out to attract mice, rats and moles? Of course not - blame the feral cats using some obscure fact about a very common parasite.

I could just as easily point out that your local Department of Natural Resources should should involved with YOU for your feeding raccoons. Our local DNR wants racoons destroyed because of the public danger their spreading RABIES. Hmmm, seems your pet (pun intended) theories don't work everywhere, do they? Yet here you are, trying to dictate your extreme opinions as gospel And calling ALL feral cat advocates liars. While your "logical" arguments are at best, bogus.

Frankly, having taken the time to real ALL of your posts I can honestly point out that you've done a better of discrediting yourself with your "facts" than I did. I merely gave an example of someone who has successfully (and most importantly HUMANELY) managed a feral cat population through TNR lending balance to the whole discussion.

So go ahead, continue to be a horrible steward of the wildlife on YOUR property but don't expect anyone but the most disturbed of individuals to follow your delusional and inhumane directives.

How I keep my feral colony FYI
posted by BE2011, November 08, 2011

It IS possible to economically care for a feral cat colony and have them be healthy happy and disease free - it's true. I live on a river, 1200 feet from a marina, which believe me, brings in feral and stray cats. But, I have only had one extra (abandoned) house cat join my colony in the last year.

My cats are flea free, worm free, mange free and vaccinated. It costs me approximately $40 a month to accomplish this.

I will be developing a website WITH PICTURES of how I trap, care for, worm, vaccinate and alter the cats in this feral colony. Watch for a post here well before spring hits.

This may not necessarily work everywhere as each situation is different but here's some direction for those who are interested.

Trapping - use a drop trap, designs available on the web. Mine took approximately $30 and two hours to construct. You'll still need a standard traps to haul them in for altering, but proper use makes trapping pretty fast and efficient.

Worming - Mix FOOD GRADE diatomaceous earth into canned food mixed with dry food once daily (DE cost ~$50 for 50 POUNDS). Not only will they learn eat this mix - they come to love and come knocking. Deworms and knocks down their appetite, which equals less hunting overall.

Defleaing - there's always a few that allow you to get near them. Hartz onespot (3 doses for about $6) in addition to a teaspoon of cider vinegar in their wet food will pretty much take care of fleas. They like the cider vinegar less, so you have to work up to the one teaspoon, then they'll eat it. The cider vinegar also discourages mites and hence mange. I found that Hartz onespot also cured mite mange on my visiting housecat.

Spaying/Neutering/Vaccinations - Local programs around here let you get a feral altered plus rabies vaccination for $10 during special events and $20 - $25 regularly.

All of which is cheaper, less time consuming and better ecologically than burying poison peanuts to control moles. (Couldn't walk across my property without nearly breaking an ankle from all of the tunneling before the ferals went to work.) I won't go into the number of apple trees the rabbits have girdled and chewed to a nub, the number of pears the squirrels have eaten or the damage, disease and general mess that comes from a river rat population - which is why the marina folks don't discourage ferals.

Since one female mouse can lead to 15,000 more mice within a year elimination of all feral cats will very likely cause other, less desirable populations to get out of control.

The Economics of Caring for my Feral Cat Colony
posted by BE2011, November 08, 2011

30 13 oz cans Paws & Claws (Tractor Supply Company) $0.69 = $20.70
1 36 lb bags Paw & Claws Delicious Mix (TSC) = $19.99

So...feed costs approximately $41 a month without sales tax.
They hunt more in the warm months so they eat less whereas winter they eat a little more.

I don't really count the cider vinegar, I keep it on hand anyway and using one teaspoon in the wet food mix every day means a $6 gallon goes a long way.

Same with the Food Grade Diatomaceous Earth – I use this for different things around my property, usually I put about 1 teaspoon per cat in their wet food. So the cost is negligible also maybe $10 a year. I do add water rinsing out the cat food can to make sure its a wet mix and my garbage doesn't stink.

Since the cider vinegar generally works I only use the Hartz onespot a couple of times a year (spring and fall) – so that's possibly $20 -$30 a year tops for the three cats that allow me to touch them. I suppose I could trap to treat but I find that treating half the colony has worked so far.

After that, it's the time it takes to feed them every morning (dry with fresh water) and late afternoon (wet mix). And remembering to pick up any uneaten food before dark (I made that rookie mistake and now have a couple of the healthiest and happiest raccoons and possums in the neighborhood. They actually still come by every night to lick the dishes after I've removed the food to get the residual DE.)

This is much less cost and work than trying to personally control tunneling moles, rats, mice, squirrels and rabbits while digging up and replanting trees, filling tunnels and replacing mulch.

A local humane group supplied their winter houses for free at a feral cat event so I can't count that cost – but it took 3 hours of time one Sunday – TNR training is another 3 hours.

Watching the cats zip around my property while I'm NOT injuring myself stepping in mole tunnels, cutting down, digging up and replacing trees, hauling and shoveling mulch and dirt while vainly trying to prevent rodent damage: PRICELESS.

Human Territorial Behavior By Expendable Proxy
posted by Woodsman, November 08, 2011

Here's a little information to help you understand the behaviors of "cat-lovers" and their cats. Something I discovered when local "cat-lovers" (an oxymoron if there ever was one) were using cats to overtake my land and woods, eventually even by moving my property markers when using their cats had failed -- failed because I got the legal go-ahead to shoot them all on my land. (An expensive many $1000s lesson for these property-thieves, surveyors are not cheap.) I often wondered why they kept releasing new cats onto my land even long AFTER they already knew that all their cats were being shot to death, they were told this is what was going to happen, and was happening. They didn't care about cats AT ALL! Clearly something else was motivating these people. How many so-called "cat-lovers" do you know that keep releasing cats and letting them roam free even after seeing many of them become road-kill, harmed by cat and animal attacks, die of diseases, killed by poisonous plants or animals they encounter outdoors, etc.? (Like every last TNR-advocate for starters.) They don't care about cats AT ALL, not in the least!

Now you'll know exactly why cat-lovers do what they do. It really has nothing at all to do with their concern for cats, nor even the lives of anyone nor anything else, quite the opposite.

Human Territorial Behavior By Expendable Proxy

I have come to the inexorable conclusion that the vast majority of "cat-lovers" and cat-owners that let their destructive invasive-species roam free, and especially those that defend the rights of feral cats to overtake private and public property and wildlife areas, are only (cowardly) using cats as a proxy for their OWN territorial behavior. Not unlike uneducated inner-city youth that will disrespectfully and inconsiderately use loud music to stake-out a territory for themselves. Whether this behavior is done consciously or subconsciously, the underlying motive is the same. As long as they can have one of their cats defecate in another's yard or destroy their property, animals, and wildlife; and the land-owner not have any recourse; the cat-owner/caretaker owns that territory. It's time to put a stop to them using their "cute kitty" excuse for usurping and stealing others' property. If they want territory they can damn well buy it just like anyone else. Instead they're using underhanded, disrespectful, and manipulative means. By putting (and sacrificing) live animals in the path of their envy and greed. "Cat-lovers" only really want your yard, garden, or forest while making all others and all other animals suffer for what they can't have nor own. Bottom line--they want to control you and your property. That's _ALL_ that "cat-lovers" are really after. It's why they don't care at all if their cat nor any other animals, nor even other humans, get harmed by their goals and (lack of) values in life.

To all property owners: Start charging "Cat-Recreation Land-Use Fees" to all cat-owners that use your land. I suggest a fee of $10,000 per day per cat. You have the right to charge any amount you want for someone using your land for any purpose of theirs. If they can't pay, then you get to legally own their property from debts incurred, just like they have stolen your property illegally with their cats all these years.

There's an interesting news report about a community in Florida recently where cat-advocates are trying to get a court to allow them to even use their local shopping-center as a place where they can keep their cats. We can now add "Shopping Centers" to the kinds of property that they want to steal from the owners and control. It never ends with them! Until you destroy every last one of their cats that is.

Moral Of The Story
posted by Woodsman, November 08, 2011

Moral of the Story:

I wasted 15 YEARS of my life arguing with demented cat-lovers. During which time THEIR _INVASIVE_SPECIES_ CATS DESTROYED ALL NATIVE WILDLIFE ON MY LAND. All native prey became tortured cats' play-toys, all native predators STARVED TO DEATH. Those that became neither died of cats' diseases they spread everywhere (which not only includes the potentially deadly and mind-altering Toxoplasma gondii parasite, but rabies, hookworm, the plague, flea-borne typhus, and now tularemia; they are nothing but 4-legged bags of deadly infestation today).

It wasn't until I STOPPED arguing and on advice of the sheriff finally did what needed to be done -- SHOOT ALL CATS -- that my land, all the wildlife on my land, and my life itself started to return to normal. I no longer have to go out twice a day on cat-patrol to shoot more cats nor waste more time and energy burying them to protect wildlife from the diseases they carry. Much to the chagrin of manipulative TNR LIARS that spew their psychotic "vacuum effect" bullsh**. NO CATS have replaced them. The native predators and all other native wildlife THAT BELONGS HERE replaced them!

Learn from this. You can argue with the Toxoplasmosis parasites in the cat-lovers' brains until you are blue in the face and your whole planet is destroyed by their cats, but it'll never get rid of the cats that have destroyed your life and all wildlife.

JUST DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE -- DESTROY THEM.

Cats listed in The TOP 100 WORST INVASIVE-SPECIES OF THE WORLD in the "Global Invasive-Species Database":
http://www.issg.org/database/species/ecology.asp?si=24&fr=1&sts=sss

Cats are _NOT_ exempt from invasive-species laws!

IT IS YOUR CIVIC AND MORAL RESPONSIBILITY TO DESTROY ANY INVASIVE-SPECIES WHEN FOUND AWAY FROM SAFE CONFINEMENT IN A NON-NATIVE HABITAT.

In fact, it is against the law to NOT destroy an invasive-species on-sight. Since cats are genetically engineered through selective-breeding and no longer have ANY native habitat ANYWHERE on earth these laws include cats. Much to the dismay of all criminally irresponsible and psychotic cat-lovers who are desperately trying to raise them to some absurd level of "Community Cats". If they do that then just raise "Community Pet Piranha" and release them in all your lakes and pools, or "Community Pet Black-Mambas" and release them in all your backyards and parks, then claim the exact same protections for them as cat-advocates want for THEIR INVASIVE-SPECIES CATS. It'd only be fair! (Are you starting to see just how absurd and ludicrous these cat-people are yet?)

Only later, AFTER your land and life are 100% free of these invasive-species cats, can you have fun trying to educate the ineducable. Use the time you got back from their invasive-species taking over your life to share the best ways to destroy all cats -- without harming any other wildlife or humans. Then if you want, make YOUR life THEIR problem. Just as they made THEIR cats YOUR problem for all these many years. It's only fair! Because that's what it's really all about, isn't it. It's not about cats at all. They only want to control your life with their cats. You can put a stop to that immediately by destroying their cats. And there's NOT ONE THING they can do about it if you do it right. They'll no longer have any part of your life.

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posted by BE2011, November 09, 2011

All right "Woodsman". Recursively integrate this - one female field mouse can lead to 15,000 additional mice within one year.

Go right ahead. Remove a primary predator. One man has lived with successfully for ten thousand years.

Then see to whom all those flea ridden rodents will bring the plague to. Not the cat. Humans. All of your "logic" ignores the fact that cats do, indeed, keep rodents down. Here's the real point of that article – a cat got the plague – NOT a human.

Even more disturbing "facts" from you. Was your property REALLY "hunted out" by feral cats? If so, how is it then, that you had mice problems? Which is it? It's not lost on any of us that you spout contradictory evidence.

OK, so you had mice Why weren't your “other” predators eating them? If they had T. Gondii, it should have been easy, huh? Why weren't your ferals eating them? If they existed, your property could not have been hunted out, huh? So, who's the liar?

As for your claim that racoons and possums were starving from the competition - most of us know - yep WITHOUT looking it up -food sources between cats, racoons and possums are not the same. Racoons and possums are omnivores who primarily eat vegetation, worms and insects while cats are carnivores. None of those starving competitors you listed eat the same thing as cats - except possibly foxes, although foxes are technically omnivores also. So who's the liar?

However, I can testify that my feral cats have definitely been a food source for: dogs, red tailed hawks, eagles and wolverines. Not to mention, the common accounts of feral cats, including mine, actually sharing their food bowl with possums, raccoons and skunks - some competition, huh? So who's the liar?

You tried to "compensate for all the feral cat destruction" before killing them. Really. Without altering one feral cat? Not one? Really. So who's the liar?

So if you can't do it – humanely control a feral cat population, then it can't be done, huh? So who's the liar?

At best, all this fuss you're making is a sad attempt to justify willfully slaying cats. Window dressing meant to distract from the very pathetic picture you've painted. Guilt, apparently, is too much to hope for from such a "woodsman”.

So – many people find redeemin value in a species where you don't? So what? It's a free country. Ten thousand years of co-habitation with cats pretty much proves that the current situation can't be as dire as alarmists such as you make it out to be. There's been feral cats before this. Granted there are short term issues, here. But I'm sure we'vee been here before without the ecological world grinding to a halt.

Hopefully you come realize that no one, with a brain anyway, is buying what you're trying to sell.

But you HAVE done a phenomenal job of displaying what you truly are.

Thank you!

Shooting is MORE HUNANE than TNR
posted by Woodsman, November 09, 2011

Shooting is one of the most humane methods available. One moment the cats are intent on stalking some defenseless animal to cruelly rip apart again, the next moment they are dead and don't even know it. ALL the cats I shot didn't even have enough time to make a sound. That's how fast they die. This is FAR FAR kinder than trapping, terrorizing them with cages for days, being handled by humans, then being locked into a state of paralyzed torment with drugs until animal-shelter euthanizing methods finally take effect. They are suffering and in torment for DAYS using animal-shelter methods.

So you're going to tell me that letting a TNR'ed cat die from being hit by a car; attacked by cats or other animals; dying of disease; dying of cold or heat; dying from starvation or thirst; dying from chewing on poisonous plants, amphibians, or chemicals they find in their environment; being bit by a poisonous snake; and suffering to death for days, weeks, and months is MORE humane?

Just because you don't see that TNR'ed cat die of "attrition" by gasping for breath for days as it hides beneath some structure or shrubs because it was hit by a car or it lapped up some anti-freeze under someone's car, means that it doesn't die INhumanely? Just because YOU didn't see it die? Is that how it works with you self-blinding TNR fools? Even killing a cat with poison is a more humane method than them dying of your candy-coating feel-good term of "attrition". IN FACT, dying from poison falls directly under the definition of "attrition".

ALL TNR-advocates need to be rotting in prison for life for all the cruelty to animals they have caused all these years. Not only for how they cruelly torture and kill cats, but for how they allow their cats to cruelly destroy all wildlife. Go buy some canaries and hamsters at your pet-store then throw them at your cats to tear apart in your INHUMAN (note no 'e' on the end) need to perpetuate suffering of animals. It would be NO DIFFERENT.

All these FACTS make anything you just typed a totally meaningless point. They make your whole life a meaningless point.

The only points made here
posted by Barbara Ellis, November 09, 2011

By "Woodsman" himself-

He took no time and research whatsoever to figure out what goes on with the animals on his property. In fact, he has no idea what most of them eat - by his account for FIFTEEN years.

He has no idea what TNR is or how to apply it

He had no intention of agreeing with anything that gets in the way of what he really likes to do

Shoot cats and pat himself on the back for being such a "humanitarian."

I would bet if "Woodsman" has seen a cat die from being hit by a car, then it's because he personally and intentionally ran it over.

And he expects us to believe that EACH AND EVERY cat he's shot - at long range, mind you, died instantly.

Who's the liar?

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